Post by Running Eagle on Oct 31, 2011 15:52:22 GMT -5
Copied and Pasted from SN forums
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It has come time to fork the idea of weapon stats into a separate thread
This is on a tangent, but here's an example of a new stat Koutetsu
Sample A (looks alot as the dsj base, so i might try a gain of 9d per tier)
12a 50d -21s
14a 58d -17s
16a 64d -11s
18a 72d -7s
20a 80d -3s
22a 88d 1s
26a 96d 5s
28a 104d 9s
30a 112d 13s
32a 120d 17s
34a 128d 21s
36a 136d 25s
38a 144d 29s
40a 152d 33s
42a 160d 37s
44a 168d 41s
46a 176d 45s
48a 184d 49s
Sample B (like the tier would ever go this high, just an example)
12a 50d -21s
14a 59d -17s
16a 68d -13s
18a 77d -9s
20a 86d -5s
22a 95d -2s
24a 104d 1s
26a 113d 5s
28a 122d 9s
30a 131d 13s
32a 140d 17s
34a 149d 21s
36a 158d 25s
38a 167d 29s
40a 176d 33s
42a 185d 37s
44a 194d 41s
46a 203d 45s
48a 212d 49s
*Silver Dragon Shield, Required lv16
-Basically a Silver Version of the Dragon Shield, dropped by pirates in the docks, it is meant to compete with the Great Targe/Shuriken/Ayotl, this would also be a middle ground for a minor/major silver, i think this would make for a very appealing item, bringing alot of gameplay back to the docks.
Stat Example
34d 12s
40d 18s
46d 24s
52d 30s
58d 36s
64d 42s
70d 48s
76d 52s
82d 58s
88d 64s
94d 70s
100d 76s
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Reply from Dathron:
Another possibility for the Koutetsu:
15a 70d -12s
17a 77d -10s
18a 84d -8s
20a 91d -6s
21a 98d -4s
23a 105d -2s
24a 112d 0s
26a 119d 2s
27a 126d 4s
29a 133d 6s
30a 140d 8s
32a 147d 10s
33a 154d 12s
35a 161d 14s
36a 168d 16s
38a 175d 18s
39a 182d 20s
41a 189d 22s
Seems to me like the SDS could be more powerful than that for sure. It's a silver so it'd be harder to find than a GT, yet it's 2.0 tier is not too much bigger than a 2.0 tier GT, at least in defense. Maybe I need to see some ES stats side-to-side to really see.
Also, maybe the SDS should come with a neat natural rare. Dunno what, but something useful for that kind of level char, 15-20. That would give you an incentive to try and get that rather than a 2.0 GT, even though the GT may technically be easier to find.
Although I haven't really done any quick checks to see how big of a difference that is to yours. Just messin around with stats, hehe.
The question with Kouts for me is: are we boosting them to -compete- with DSJs or to replace them? The first one would be if we planned to simply make DSJs droppable rather than craftable, and the second option would be if we wanted to remove them from the game completely.
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Reply From Dathron:
Hmmm, I wrote more than that but it didn't show up. Very frustrating. I'll re-post it later, too lazy atm.
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Running Eagle:
hard call there, to make the dsj really compete with the kout it have to be a drop with a high percentage, and the base tier would have to be adjusted, im thinking 3 high level armors would be viable for endgame
the three options i see are
leave it as is (we dont like this)
boost required materials to make by alot to ramp some demand (not viable either)
or make it a drop from dragons (most likely scenario), or say the dragon takes x scales and if you pass it gives you a dsj, making it a bit challenging to get, like the current bushido token
I like the idea of adding a chance of failure based on wits or something, so it provides a funnel for scales if you fail
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Reply from James111222:
I always liked the way the lefties were balanced. What I mean by that is that We have a Lefty withhigher skill, but lower attack, Shurk, Defense and mid skill (CJF), and high attack, low skill (CG). Maybe we could significantly raise the skill on the kout to compete with the DSJ?
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Reply from Orrv:
*agrees with James*
I like the idea of a body piece to compete with the DSJ. There's nothing dropped that even comes close.
I also like the ideas that RE put up. Make DSJ's a Dragon thing. Collect some scales and maybe a couple of other items and then try to get the dragon to turn your stuff into a DSJ.
The mid-level SDS is also very interesting. Let's look at it more too. Everyone wants to jump from lvl 6 to lvl 31 for gear without exploring anything in between. Let's put some items in there that make it more appealing. Perhaps you must acquire a midlevel item as part of what you need for a DSJ or other higher level item?
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Running Eagle:
onto the idea of an armor to compete with the dsj, it would drop off priests in azteca
Coatl Robes
-10a 90d 40s
-10a 99d 45s
-9a 108d 50s
-9a 117d 55s (tier 1)
-8a 126d 60s
-8a 135d 65s
-7a 144d 70s
-7a 153d 75s
-6a 162d 80s
-6a 171d 85s
-5a 180d 90s
-5a 189d 95s
-4a 198d 100s
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From Orrv:
cool name for it RE ... Coatl Robes
Also how about the Snakey? (Snake Scale Suit) Is there something that we could do there? I like em but it's really tough to find even a midstat. Don't want to make it too easy tho.
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Running Eagle:
keep snakey as is, just boost the base tier by 1-2, i think it work out
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Reply from Torra:
RE, what do you think about throwing a couple of attach points on the SDS? And/or I like Dathron's idea of putting a rare on it.
I like the idea of making the Kout comparable to the DSJ, will give us some other options for gear. I agree with James; that there are at least 3 choices for lefties, but there is only the One real choice for armor.
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Running Eagle:
that be interesting, lemme see what i can come up with, that would make it a bit more appealing
Silver Dragon Shield
4a 36d 16s
5a 42d 22s
6a 48d 28s
7a 54d 34s
8a 60d 40s
9a 66d 46s
10a 72d 52s
11a 78d 58s
12a 84d 64s
13a 90d 70s
14a 96d 76s
15a 102d 82s
tweaking again, with a bit of added attack
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Reply from James111222:
What happens if we alter the Kout to offer more skill than other forms of body pieces, like the shurk for the left? Making it match defense isn't really the road we want to go anyway, is it?
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Running Eagle:
well lets toy with that, maybe more attack/skill over defense, we need to meet a balance,
16a 68d -18s
19a 74d -15s
21a 80d -12s
24a 86d -9s
27a 92d -6s
30a 98d -3s
33a 104d
36a 110d 3s
39a 116d 6s
42a 122d 9s
45a 128d 12s
48a 134d 15s
51a 140d 18s
54a 146d 21s
57a 152d 24s
60a 158d 27s
63a 162d 30s
66a 168d 33s
69a 174d 36s
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Reply from Torra:
RE, LUV the new stats for the SDS, but for tards like moi, could you point out the base stat (is it the forth one from the top?). The added attack makes it even more desirable than the great targe which is as it should be, since it is a silver.
I'm seriously in favor of tweaking weapons in areas other than Azteca and Hie Brazil (which are the only really quested areas, or so it seems). Great Job with this RE.
I'd like to see a few polls put up:
What position needs a new weapon?
What 2 weapons would you like to see the stats boosted on?
Which would you like to have more of: Attack, Defense, Skill
Do you think we should be able to stack weapon rares on top of Clan rares?
Hmmmm, I guess I should just put them up now. LOL I keep forgetting that even a techno-tard like myself can do this.
--------Thread1---------
It has come time to fork the idea of weapon stats into a separate thread
This is on a tangent, but here's an example of a new stat Koutetsu
Sample A (looks alot as the dsj base, so i might try a gain of 9d per tier)
12a 50d -21s
14a 58d -17s
16a 64d -11s
18a 72d -7s
20a 80d -3s
22a 88d 1s
26a 96d 5s
28a 104d 9s
30a 112d 13s
32a 120d 17s
34a 128d 21s
36a 136d 25s
38a 144d 29s
40a 152d 33s
42a 160d 37s
44a 168d 41s
46a 176d 45s
48a 184d 49s
Sample B (like the tier would ever go this high, just an example)
12a 50d -21s
14a 59d -17s
16a 68d -13s
18a 77d -9s
20a 86d -5s
22a 95d -2s
24a 104d 1s
26a 113d 5s
28a 122d 9s
30a 131d 13s
32a 140d 17s
34a 149d 21s
36a 158d 25s
38a 167d 29s
40a 176d 33s
42a 185d 37s
44a 194d 41s
46a 203d 45s
48a 212d 49s
*Silver Dragon Shield, Required lv16
-Basically a Silver Version of the Dragon Shield, dropped by pirates in the docks, it is meant to compete with the Great Targe/Shuriken/Ayotl, this would also be a middle ground for a minor/major silver, i think this would make for a very appealing item, bringing alot of gameplay back to the docks.
Stat Example
34d 12s
40d 18s
46d 24s
52d 30s
58d 36s
64d 42s
70d 48s
76d 52s
82d 58s
88d 64s
94d 70s
100d 76s
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Reply from Dathron:
Another possibility for the Koutetsu:
15a 70d -12s
17a 77d -10s
18a 84d -8s
20a 91d -6s
21a 98d -4s
23a 105d -2s
24a 112d 0s
26a 119d 2s
27a 126d 4s
29a 133d 6s
30a 140d 8s
32a 147d 10s
33a 154d 12s
35a 161d 14s
36a 168d 16s
38a 175d 18s
39a 182d 20s
41a 189d 22s
Seems to me like the SDS could be more powerful than that for sure. It's a silver so it'd be harder to find than a GT, yet it's 2.0 tier is not too much bigger than a 2.0 tier GT, at least in defense. Maybe I need to see some ES stats side-to-side to really see.
Also, maybe the SDS should come with a neat natural rare. Dunno what, but something useful for that kind of level char, 15-20. That would give you an incentive to try and get that rather than a 2.0 GT, even though the GT may technically be easier to find.
Although I haven't really done any quick checks to see how big of a difference that is to yours. Just messin around with stats, hehe.
The question with Kouts for me is: are we boosting them to -compete- with DSJs or to replace them? The first one would be if we planned to simply make DSJs droppable rather than craftable, and the second option would be if we wanted to remove them from the game completely.
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Reply From Dathron:
Hmmm, I wrote more than that but it didn't show up. Very frustrating. I'll re-post it later, too lazy atm.
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Running Eagle:
hard call there, to make the dsj really compete with the kout it have to be a drop with a high percentage, and the base tier would have to be adjusted, im thinking 3 high level armors would be viable for endgame
the three options i see are
leave it as is (we dont like this)
boost required materials to make by alot to ramp some demand (not viable either)
or make it a drop from dragons (most likely scenario), or say the dragon takes x scales and if you pass it gives you a dsj, making it a bit challenging to get, like the current bushido token
I like the idea of adding a chance of failure based on wits or something, so it provides a funnel for scales if you fail
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Reply from James111222:
I always liked the way the lefties were balanced. What I mean by that is that We have a Lefty withhigher skill, but lower attack, Shurk, Defense and mid skill (CJF), and high attack, low skill (CG). Maybe we could significantly raise the skill on the kout to compete with the DSJ?
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Reply from Orrv:
*agrees with James*
I like the idea of a body piece to compete with the DSJ. There's nothing dropped that even comes close.
I also like the ideas that RE put up. Make DSJ's a Dragon thing. Collect some scales and maybe a couple of other items and then try to get the dragon to turn your stuff into a DSJ.
The mid-level SDS is also very interesting. Let's look at it more too. Everyone wants to jump from lvl 6 to lvl 31 for gear without exploring anything in between. Let's put some items in there that make it more appealing. Perhaps you must acquire a midlevel item as part of what you need for a DSJ or other higher level item?
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Running Eagle:
onto the idea of an armor to compete with the dsj, it would drop off priests in azteca
Coatl Robes
-10a 90d 40s
-10a 99d 45s
-9a 108d 50s
-9a 117d 55s (tier 1)
-8a 126d 60s
-8a 135d 65s
-7a 144d 70s
-7a 153d 75s
-6a 162d 80s
-6a 171d 85s
-5a 180d 90s
-5a 189d 95s
-4a 198d 100s
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From Orrv:
cool name for it RE ... Coatl Robes
Also how about the Snakey? (Snake Scale Suit) Is there something that we could do there? I like em but it's really tough to find even a midstat. Don't want to make it too easy tho.
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Running Eagle:
keep snakey as is, just boost the base tier by 1-2, i think it work out
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Reply from Torra:
RE, what do you think about throwing a couple of attach points on the SDS? And/or I like Dathron's idea of putting a rare on it.
I like the idea of making the Kout comparable to the DSJ, will give us some other options for gear. I agree with James; that there are at least 3 choices for lefties, but there is only the One real choice for armor.
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Running Eagle:
that be interesting, lemme see what i can come up with, that would make it a bit more appealing
Silver Dragon Shield
4a 36d 16s
5a 42d 22s
6a 48d 28s
7a 54d 34s
8a 60d 40s
9a 66d 46s
10a 72d 52s
11a 78d 58s
12a 84d 64s
13a 90d 70s
14a 96d 76s
15a 102d 82s
tweaking again, with a bit of added attack
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Reply from James111222:
What happens if we alter the Kout to offer more skill than other forms of body pieces, like the shurk for the left? Making it match defense isn't really the road we want to go anyway, is it?
------------Reply 14--------------------
Running Eagle:
well lets toy with that, maybe more attack/skill over defense, we need to meet a balance,
16a 68d -18s
19a 74d -15s
21a 80d -12s
24a 86d -9s
27a 92d -6s
30a 98d -3s
33a 104d
36a 110d 3s
39a 116d 6s
42a 122d 9s
45a 128d 12s
48a 134d 15s
51a 140d 18s
54a 146d 21s
57a 152d 24s
60a 158d 27s
63a 162d 30s
66a 168d 33s
69a 174d 36s
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Reply from Torra:
RE, LUV the new stats for the SDS, but for tards like moi, could you point out the base stat (is it the forth one from the top?). The added attack makes it even more desirable than the great targe which is as it should be, since it is a silver.
I'm seriously in favor of tweaking weapons in areas other than Azteca and Hie Brazil (which are the only really quested areas, or so it seems). Great Job with this RE.
I'd like to see a few polls put up:
What position needs a new weapon?
What 2 weapons would you like to see the stats boosted on?
Which would you like to have more of: Attack, Defense, Skill
Do you think we should be able to stack weapon rares on top of Clan rares?
Hmmmm, I guess I should just put them up now. LOL I keep forgetting that even a techno-tard like myself can do this.