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Post by dyre99 on Mar 30, 2009 23:49:10 GMT -5
Lately one of my main goals has been to raise my stats so I can die less to dragons, enchant faster and run from unwanted fights. The best way I have found so far has been to quest in Azteca to take advantage of the 5x stat gain area multiplier and to use my guild skills there.
The trick with guild skills is that you don't benefit from their increased stat gain unless you kill, swindle, or hypnotize the monster successfully with that skill. Therefore, I make sure I only use them on monsters that don't hypnotize and have the lowest stats of the area. I also pick out the weak ones that I know I can finish off in one hit so my guild skill will succeed and gain me stats.
For example, when I find an anaconda, which has the lowest wits of the Azteca monsters, I only try to hypnotize if it has wits in the low 200's because I have a high success rate. Otherwise, I feed it and run if feed fails. Soldiers, on the other hand, are ideal for backstabbing. If they have below 600 hp, I know from experience that I can usually finish them if with one backstab and I go for it. If I find a high hp soldier, I use a normal attack first and then berserk second round for a guaranteed success. I always help the priests and run if that fails and I always try to run from jaguars to get wits.
The moral of the story is make sure your guild skills count so be patient and wait for the right monster with stats low enough that your guild skill will succeed in one hit, otherwise it is wasted in terms of stat gain benefits.
I hope this is helpful to any fellow new players who want higher stats!
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Post by TheAnt on Mar 30, 2009 23:57:59 GMT -5
(; nice thanks!
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Post by King_Smitty on Mar 31, 2009 2:54:14 GMT -5
smart thinking!!
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Post by Torra on Apr 7, 2009 10:42:44 GMT -5
Wow, Dyre, this is just GREAT!!! I've been doing it all backwards I' ve been saving my Backstabs and Iatsu's for the really big warriors. Which, usually means that I have to take a second swing at them to finish them off. Really interesting strategy...Gonna try it and will report back. Thank You again, Also, does anybody know the Possible Fame for killing each monster in Azteca? The other site that has this info on monsters doesn't include the Azteca monsters. Also, do you lose fame for running away...even though you sometimes gain experience? Been having a heck of a time building fame while in Azteca. Really appreciate this post, Dyre Torra Gryffindor
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Post by Dragonfire45 on Apr 7, 2009 11:01:38 GMT -5
Hmmm...didnt realize axteca had a stat gain multiplier.
I tend to soley feed the anacondas, and try to mezz the lower-witted warriors. Jags are complicated. I backstab the weak jags for a one-shot, and all others I feed first. if that doesnt work when I normal attack the jags and they mezz on the first round, I use berserk as a counter to the first round mezz (I have found that if a jag uses mezz once, it seems more likely to use it the second round also. anyone else notice this too?)
I think i will try to mezz low anacondas and see it that works better. never really thought of that for some reason.
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Post by deathhell on Apr 7, 2009 11:25:43 GMT -5
Most probably the mezzing jags keep trying to mezz you repeatedly though you manage to kill in 2 hits. That is why it seems more likely to mezz you the second time.Your sage skills doesnt cancel its mezz so my guess is that it just keep trying to mezz you untill it gets you. Though if you manage to hit it with panic...,it may stop mezzing you.
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Post by Dragonfire45 on Apr 7, 2009 11:45:29 GMT -5
ive tried the panic with mixed results. on an alt I have an SM and that seems to not really STOP the mezz, it just makes it not hurt you when it does hit. but thats why I use berserk with my main, to kill before the second mezz.
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Post by deathhell on Apr 7, 2009 12:11:26 GMT -5
I was wrong on that it stop mezzing,my bad.I did not really try it out,I was just assuming that panic can stop mezz..back to the drawing block.Thanks for the experimenting dragonfire45.
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Post by sirinnu on Apr 7, 2009 12:17:27 GMT -5
Thanks Dyre, , very good strategy here!
Here is what I do in azteca with my charies:
ANNACONDAS: I always try to feed first, running away if failing (suceed at feeding = exp + potential charm gain + quest saved, , running = no big deal, only no quest lost)
WARRIORS : They are target of my mages skills,,,, when no more mage skill, I'll wear an item with MYSTIC, to have xtras mezz... If mezz fail once, I use berserk, or regular hit)
PRIESTS: Unless u want to collect masks, I recommand ALWAYS help em (for the potential wits gain), if this fail RUN AWAY!!! U dont want to mess with Priests mezz, , only sage skill can prevent it, and u must not use any other guilds skill ....
JAGUARS : those are the fun ones here! I have 2 set up with em! FOR MY MAIN CHARACTER ONLY, aka sirinnu,: I will never be happy with my wits, , I always need more wits with him (to es, etc)... and THIS IS THE BEST WAY FOR ME TO RAISE WITS, , runing sucesfully from jaguars!!!! Runing from jagu, priests, feeding snakes, , , and only killing warriors give me the best rate at raising wits and farming sacs, , , but its boring questing, , too many jaguars, , , (it takes at least twice much rl time questing that way). <WITH ALL OTHERS CHARIES: They farm CJFS, so they are jagus hunters, , Ietsus, bakstabs, berserk, , , , when those skills running out, plain killing, , expecting the many sage skills to prevent all the many mezz to come... when out of sages, , usually under 50 quest left, I go identify all unids, , than if I need more I return to azteca, , or only go to court to finish those quests.
I have charies with high stats, I must admit, , so I dont have to worry much about the stats of the foes I encounter... BUT UR ADVICE is really GOOD since I know , , I've been dc addict for so long, , not everyone got dozens of charies above 2k total stats ( I usualy wait til my charies are above 500 wits before moving em to azteca )
IF someone likes FAME & Experiences: runing from everything but warriors, works well, , but could be improved: run from everything BUT KILL ALL PRIESTS, , , , Priests are rare, give alot of fame .. So u (can) save quest from running from 85% of all questing, , giving u more quest , to run more, , and gaining exp each time u sucesfully run from the jags......
Questing for hours like that sirinnu can get astounding numbers in FAME and EXP in each day, , almost 1 Mill xp on the best day.
AZTECAN FOES FAME:
Priest: 26/6 (Aid) Warrior: 16 Jaguar: 9-10 Anaconda: 7
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Post by Gawayn on Apr 7, 2009 12:30:43 GMT -5
Some of these numbers are mind-boggling! Some great advice here, I can't wait to go practice it! It's funny Sir, that you mention only getting to Azteca with 500 wits. I've read on randomorange's site not to go to Shangala without 300 guts too. However, with a SS/GL/GT/S.S.Suit/SH combo, I was questing in shangala by 150 guts and questing in Azteca with less than 100 wits. I think what this does is A) lowers the stats of monsters so there's a whisker's chance of winning and more importantly, B) Makes some creatures abilities not show themselves. For the longest time, I wouldn't get berzerked or Ieutsu'd by anyone in Shangala (not until I hit over 300 guts) and have only had a jaggie try to mezz me once or twice, never a priest. I don't know what all this necessarily means, but I'm having a ball questing in places I maybe shouldn't!
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Post by Dragonfire45 on Apr 7, 2009 12:59:20 GMT -5
ok, so definitely tried using my mezz on anacondas instead of warriors. got to say I am not a fan. the anacondas have sage, so its basically a garauntee that I will have to use more than one per instance.
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Post by dyre99 on Apr 7, 2009 15:52:03 GMT -5
Dragonfire: Yeah the sage skills anacondas have are annoying, but my wits are too low to mezz warriors which would be the ideal target. However, when the monster uses a sage skill to prevent your mezz, you don't lose a mage skill. Eventually they should run out of sage skills so if you keep attempting to mezz you should succeed as long as you don't kill it first.
Torra: I would recommend using ietsu on big enemies because ietsu gives no stat gain bonus.
Gawayn: Monsters tend to not use special attacks against you when either you are low level or have low stats, I'm not sure which. I had the same experience being able to quest in advanced areas with weak stats, but now that I'm getting more powerful everything except dragons uses specials on me.
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Post by sirinnu on Apr 7, 2009 16:58:56 GMT -5
I shud experiment more with lower charies in harder areas, , , I know the existence of many *triggers* in DC, , but they are very not well known or documented.. As in the field U CANT MEET A WIZARD until level 3, , , (other then that I could mainly add more hypothetical triggers only, nothing confirmed... In various areas such triggering conditions are needed to makes monsters use (or not) theyr abilities and skills. (beyond the normal level requirement to reach each area) I bet its not too hard to find all those out, , but its a tedious and long work (to get reliable confirmed results) that I dont have time to start ATM. (with same number of guild skills 3 diferent character in each area at various stade-level-stats, than with similar level characters with various guild skills in each area again... etc.. 3 mains factors: -the levels (Iam sure that one affect some triggers) - the stats (a character level 32 who never tithed will have way more stats than another 1 week old tithed chary) - stats definatly help questing, , maybe it also trigger some events, or foes reaction too) - Guid skills (experimenting with one chary wihtout any skill, one with only traders skills, one with only mages one, etc...) - those - are often involve in dc forumulas and might as well trigger some stuff - Keep an eye on the Skill stat too (good gear VS not so good gear), , skill also influences many dc math.
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Post by dyre99 on Apr 7, 2009 17:16:21 GMT -5
Your knowledge is uncanny Sir.
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Post by deathhell on Apr 8, 2009 7:15:23 GMT -5
I actually wanted to share my own azteca questing strategy but its actually the same as what sir does for his main except I don't help priests since I dont need masks and I view helping a priest as a loss of a potential quest from farming sacs or running from jags to give me that wit.
I personally believe that is the most balanced way of questing,giving you great exp and fame and balanced stats. My main and secondary are testamont to it, Sir is right on the downside that more time is spent doing this form of questing and without a strong character(balanced stats) you may encounter difficulties in executing this strategy ie spend more time replenishing your guts.
Alternatively, I implement the same system for my alts at hie brasil. Run from harpies to get the potential wit gain,I avoid medusa for I don't collect sss and ignore heroes.I can then concentrating on farming fighters(running from golemns to get the wit gain) or farm golems for the elusive cg(For the record,I have found 8 cgs in my dc career) or fighting a mix fighters and golems.
Though the one thing I sacrificed for this form of questing is having variety in my limited questing time.For people who have loads of characters and time to spare, you can take the opportunity to explore all areas of dc and basically just enjoy your time with this little game and just move away from the stresses of life.
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